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Published October 01, 2008

Three men got a surprise when they tried to speed out of a Shady Side neighborhood in a stolen Mercury sedan yesterday afternoon.

The only exit to the community was blocked by a pickup. An angry Everett Gross was standing in front of it, firing his shotgun in the air. He wasn't going to let the men get away with his stepdaughter's car, he told county police.

Mr. Gross had received a call from his stepdaughter, Candid Matthews, 24, just before 4 p.m., according to the police report.

A frantic Ms. Matthews told him three men had just stolen her brown 1995 Mercury Mystique from the street in front of her house in the 1500 block of Ellington Drive.

Her stepfather lives on nearby Columbia Beach Road, the only entrance and exit to the community.

Mr. Gross hung up and jumped into his pickup, pulling it sideways into the road to block anyone from leaving. He then stood in the street and pumped his black Mossberg 20-gauge shotgun.

As the stolen Mercury drove toward him, Mr. Gross stood his ground and fired two shots into the air.

The man driving the Mercury stopped abruptly and began making a U-turn, police said. But he didn't get far.

While attempting to turn the car around, he got stuck in a roadside ditch.

The three men inside the car got out and ran into a wooded area, with one of the men falling out of a pair of black slippers, police said.

Officers with police dogs quickly fanned out in the neighborhood, and the Anne Arundel County police helicopter soared overhead looking for the three men.

While police searched, they got several tips from residents saying three men were seen running on Avalon Boulevard near Shady Side Road.

The police helicopter hovered over that intersection and saw the men.

Officers caught up with the alleged car thieves and arrested them near Juniper Street, the police report says.

Mr. Gross was called to identify them.

"Yep, that's them," he said, according to the report.

Jarrod Antonio Coleman, 19, of Upper Marlboro, Richard Delonta Holmes, 18, of Washington, D.C., and Vernon Edward Clemmons, 18, of Hyattsville were each charged with unlawful taking of a motor vehicle, said Sgt. John Gilmer, a county police spokesman.

Police took Mr. Gross' 20 gauge shotgun for evidence.

Officers said while they were searching for the suspects, someone reported a Plymouth Voyager van stuck in a ditch on Columbia Beach Road, according to the police report. The van had a damaged ignition and had been reported stolen.

Police are investigating whether the stolen van is linked to the incident.

Sgt. Gilmer said police are happy to have made arrests, but does not recommend what Mr. Gross did.

The best thing to do in this situation, he said, is to take note of what the vehicle and suspects look like and pass that onto officers.

"We definitely don't recommend someone attempting to take on possibly armed car thieves," he said.

Mr. Gross and Ms. Matthews could not be reached this morning for comment.

 

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1 month 14 days 2 hours ago
FYI
There are rules of participation, which are very clear. Commenters can blame Nick for everything under the sun, but the rules still remain clear. I am actually surprised that Nick tried so hard to make that clear, over and over and over again, especially after being called a J'ss. My teenage children like to read comments made on Capital on line, and I allowed them to follow this one, their comment was that if any one wanted to know what color the offenders were, why didn't they just call the police station and ask, they would be the ones to know, why blame Nick. Then my 16 year old asked me if I was sure these people involved were really adults, and then laughed.
Debbie F. - Arnold, MD
1 month 14 days 13 hours ago
 
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1 month 17 days 6 hours ago
Thank You Mrs. Giles
You sound like a good person to me! I still can't believe this has gone on for so long......GET OVER IT NICKY L. I swear I went to High School with him.
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 17 days 17 hours ago
Racial slurs?
I never saw any slurs, all I saw was the word black. Good people have questions and Mr. Editor is having a meltdown. One must remember though that Editors are like customers, they are always right even if they are dead wrong.
Emma Giles - West River, MD
1 month 19 days 19 hours ago
Venting?!
You don't see any venting on this site? I try to avoid it but now I’m going to vent myself as I’m tired of this entire argument. Have you read any of the comments on this site? Have you read the comments that are posted below? Do you see any shortage of venting? I'm tired of this idea that we're taking down comments wholesale. We remove a tiny fraction of the comments we receive. If you understand that there are no racial slurs allowed then what more do I need to explain? I took down two racial slurs. They offered no information - they simply made the implication that all blacks are criminals. I'm going to go so far as to say that a third comment - the worst of the bunch - was taken down because it implicated one of the victims in this crime. So apparently standing up for a victim makes me a liberal commy pinko. The comment was unsubstantiated slander and nothing more. As for freedom of speech; the First Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…” Capital Gazette Communications is a business, not Congress. No newspaper or publication of any kind in print or on the Web is under any obligation to offer readers an unfettered platform to say anything the want. If you want to create a newspaper or a magazine or a Web site entirely devoted to the problems of crime in South County, or anywhere else, the government can’t stop you. Now please...enough already. Talk about crime, talk about guns…I don't care. Just get off this ridiculous mountain of a mole hill.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 19 days 23 hours ago
I understand...
Nick I understand that there can be no swear words or racial slurs. See that I understand and I think anyone with half a brain could understand that. What I don't understand is what happened to freedom of speech? I mean really see this is exactly why the liberals should not control the media. They are so worried that you might offend someone. You know what people get offended every day it is a part of life. What it seems like most the people that put up comments are trying to say is they are tired of the crime in this county. What is so wrong with that?! It is sad that it has gotten to the point that we has a community have to take matters into our own hands to protect our assists and family. I understand the police can not be everywhere at once and they are a bit far from Shady Side and that is why we have to stand up for ourselves. The bottom line is if you don't stand up for yourself than no one will. All these people wanted to do is vent that they are tired of all the crime. For some reason you Nick have some liberal problem with people venting. These people are angry and they want answers and more importantly they want change and what is so wrong with them standing up and saying someone needs to do something NOW.
M. C - Annapolis, MD
1 month 20 days 1 hour ago
Peter
I don't understand what you're talking about. The headline of this story has never changed. In general we have a news site to run. If headlines get changed or stories get updated it's because this site is in a constant state of flux. We have decisions to make as to be best way to present the news at any given moment. How that affects comments is not and can not be a part of that equation. We have not and never will make changes to a story simply for the purpose of losing comments. Unfortunately there are situations that affect story comments. If we put a story in two sections on the site to make it more visible…say in both Top Stories and Annapolis…that story is going to have a different set of comments whether it’s seen in one section or the other. Individual comments were never meant to be a perpetual part of this site. As the news is transitory - comments are even more so. That is the nature of the internet. We also have rules that we enforce. We are under no obligation to offer anyone a platform to say anything they please in any way they like.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 20 days 17 hours ago
Moving on...
Back to Mr. Gross... I completely understand, when a crime like this happens, there is not a lot of time to ponder choices. I think he handled it well. Shady Side is not within immediate policing, and those residents know that. I truly believe Mr. Gross will, in time, get his gun back, and if push comes to shove again, I expect he, or other residents, will follow suit, as would I.
Debbie F. - Arnold, MD
1 month 21 days 4 hours ago
Nick
really does exemplify the liberal bias in media. Definitions get changed, words become prohibitive. But his kind of censorship is the ugliest kind, changing article titles to remove comments, and and flat out erasing reader comments.
Peter D. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 23 days 19 hours ago
Good Job!
Heather you do a fine job. I'd like to commend you on your story as it was well written and interesting and I never critiqued your work nor would I. My remarks were directed to Nick and hopefully the editors of the Capitol. Once again, many thanks for a great story.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 23 days 20 hours ago
Wow!
This gets more interesting everytime I log on. Everyone whining and complaining for other people to shut up, yet they are the one's who keep re-hashing the entire situation, WHICH IS OVER A WEEK OLD! And don't say I am one of them, do your research I haven't said crap in days, nothing relavent to this stupid debate anyway, just stupid crap to throw y'all off point. There has to be something better for y'all to argue over, perhaps the economy, that one should keep you guys going for months! Grow up already, you sound like a bunch of junior high schoolers.
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 23 days 22 hours ago
Mug shots & descriptions
I'm the county crime reporter and the author of this article. I push for mug shots to go along with my stories whenever they are available. I also push to get photographs of those who lost their lives in a car crash, homicide, etc. I feel it's important to put a face with the name, if you will. Sometimes, a mug shot isn't really warranted. Sometimes they are, but there just isn't enough time for me to get them. And then there are times they just aren't available by deadline. I get in at 8 a.m., learn of any crime, crash, etc. that happened overnight, and have approx. 2 1/2 hours to track down a report, find and interview those involved, talk to police, find pictures/mugs, and craft a story for the afternoon paper. This on top of writing multiple digests, police beat items, and sometimes another story on morning deadline. There were no mugshots with this story because they weren't given to me in time for my deadline that morning - not because I have a soft spot for criminals. And I didn't put descriptions of those arrested because they were already in custody. Descriptions are usually only warranted when police are on the lookout and need help identifying those linked to the crime. I constantly put descriptions in my police beat items and stories, and run mug shots and still security photos of those wanted in connection to a crime. Also, the majority of The Capital staff (including myself) live in Anne Arundel County, so I'm not sure why you think we'd be pleased to have alleged criminals back on our streets. We're not immune to the crime around us. Please trust that I'm doing what I can on limited time and with limited information to get whatever facts I have in the paper every morning and that I'm not leaving something out for personal reasons. Thanks for reading.
Heather Rawlyk - Annapolis, MD
1 month 24 days 2 hours ago
Paul
If you insult another user on this site you're going to be bounced - permanently. I've tried my best to be lenient with your exceedingly rude and obnoxious comments. Unfortunately you’ve proven that you have no capacity for restraint. You feel that you should be free to spew any sort of fantasy or hatred you please yet you cannot tolerate one word of disagreement. I’ve allowed you to freely say what you will about me or this company even though your comments are pure figments of your imagination. Your comments that we have a weak spot for criminals or won’t display photos of criminals out of “political correctness” are nothing short of absurd and are only supported by your own imagination. My only regret from removing you from this site would be that it might deprive our readers of a good laugh.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 24 days 14 hours ago
Thanks Jeff
I was already "Shut Up' but Nick keeps being.....Nick. Best to you Jeff and thanks for your insightful comments on the topic of crime and specifically crime in South County. Could you elaborate on your background on our crime down here? Or are you just a Troll?
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 24 days 16 hours ago
Enough already!
News Flash.... Paul, the horse is dead! Anyone that reads the comments section is well aware of your feelings. Folks either agree with you or they don't. I don't think you are going to sway anyone into your camp at this point and all your doing is embarrassing yourself now. A wise debater knows when to shut up.
Jeffrey O. - Pasadena, MD
1 month 24 days 17 hours ago
Charlie is right
"Suspects who get arrested and booked get their picture taken. This is known as a "mug shot." No need for an expensive photographer to participate. Public informaton. FOIA. Publish the photos identified as a "suspect" innocent until proven guilty, no race need be mentioned. It is in the public interest to published these photos, especially in the Shadyside car thefts and car invasions in Hunt Meadow in Annapolis. The public need to know what these people look like." The Capitol won't do that/publish pictures. They claim (As Nick just did) that "It's what the Police give us". Hogwash. They CAN go get them but they won't. Ever see a 'Protected Class' of person get their picture in the Capitol unless they were doing something GREAT? Not me. See Charlie, it just isn't PC for them to do that. It would be so easy for the Editors of the Capitol to do what you suggest but they won't or possibly don't have the manpower...oops! 'Human Resources'. Besides, it's hard to walk to the Police Station when your panties are in a wad worrying about whom you might offend by showing a picture of a criminal.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 24 days 17 hours ago
Nick has a Fit
And full of IT. We just want you to do a better job and serve the people of the county or your readers. Jackasses like you belittle crime. Listen up Nick, crime isn't just loss of property, in this case it shut down an entire peninsula. Get your map out Nick, one road in and out. And this happened during our 'Rush Hour' further complicating matters and affecting the lives of thousands of people. And the 'alleged' criminals were let loose NO BOND within hours! I asked about a story on that subject and all you have is empty rhetoric. Why indeed are all these creeps running the streets? Let me guess your response, "They're disadvantaged and come from a class of people that were discriminated against so it's no suprise they turn to other than lawful behavior to get what they see other people have". Hogwash. Am I offended by what I read and I paraprhase, "I'll bet it was Blacks....I'll bet they knew each other because the complaintant has issues...". Nope. Possibly true. Historically probable. We shall see won't we. But the Capitol won't report it because it's not PC. But I don't make judgements, I let folks speak their minds and if their poor judgement and words turn out to be wrong they eat crow. I suggest you do the same and stop being a Politically Correct nitwit. Come on down to our neighborhood next Summer during our 'Night Out'. Meet 700+ folks of all races that get along just fine. Or come any day, you'll see the same thing. And we all know crime statistics based on race, age and sex. It's facts you refuse to accept not us. WE know who the criminals are and what they look like but you lie to yourself. If I said a Crack dealer was arrested in South East D.C. in a Caddilac with 'Spinners' the first thing that would pop into your mind would be Black Male. Come on, admit it Nick! It's like sex, everybody does it but you won't admit it. You Sir appear to be a typical progressive self hating racist. Around here we say, "What did the look like?"
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 24 days 18 hours ago
Stereotypes
What Paul so adeptly chooses to ignore is that I repeated information from another post that identified the suspects as black. Several posts that were deleted rather crudely tried to equate being black with being a criminal. I don’t care if commenters offer suspect information about race, age, hometown, criminal record or if they have a mole on their nose. I do care when commenters attempt to disparage entire classes of people. If Paul is sincere in what he says - that race isn’t an issue in South County - then I’m surprised he isn’t offended at such crass stereotypes. But then people who make their arguments with abusive name calling are nothing but all about crass stereotypes. The idea that the information included in the posts that were removed would have in any way aided in identifying these suspects in any useful manner is nothing short of ridiculous. The characterization that we’re taking down massive numbers of comments is entirely false. As I’ve said before, we’ve removed 40 posts since the beginning of 2008. That’s out of thousands of comments. As far as mug shots go…we run them when police give them to us. Is it possible for us to obtain and publish every booking mug the police take? I don’t know. I doubt it. If they want to start sending them to us we’ll consider posting them. Are we going to revisit this story? I doubt it. How many car thefts are there in this county in a week? The only thing about this incident that pulled it out of our police beat is the manner in which the suspects were stopped. That made it an interesting story. One other thing that Paul doesn’t seem to understand is that we live here too. We want criminals locked up just as much as anyone. A never-ending obsession to find liberal conspiracies does nothing to further intelligent comment on the issues of crime or anything else.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 25 days 17 hours ago
Jean!
Congrats on the Nevada Nuptuals! May you be Blessed. And keep up the good fight against PC Idiots that would take our rights.
Paul Flanagan - Shady Side, MD
1 month 25 days 17 hours ago
Thank's Nick
You admitted you're not a Lawyer and you delete posts just because you feel like it. And I don't give a Rat's Butt if you delete MY posts or not. I'm defending other folks Right to speak, not mine. When will we have a follow-up story on the case? Will Capitol reporters be there or will there just be a 'blurb' on the Police Beat page? Will you interview more neighbors and the hundreds of folks that live on this peninsula who were affected by these criminals running through our streets and hiding behind our houses trying to escape? How about asking some residents in Shady Side about crime and how WE have to deal with it as we are so far from Police service? And if you do report it will you let the folks speak their minds without twisting it out of context or trying to start a Race discussion. Race is NOT an issue here in Shady Side and we like it that way so be warned we don't play that game. But if my neighbor sees suspicious behavior and he describes the perpetrator they'll surely say what race the person is AND say something like "Ever since those [Insert Crackhead, Hillbilly, Biker, Dirtball, Negro, Mexican] moved in there's been nothing but trouble, I'd bet they're running around with that 'loose' (Insert race) person that is always causing trouble." Nick, like it or not this is how crimes are solved, by describing the criminals and their associations. NOT by being Namby-Pamby Politically Correct pantywaists. I suggest the Capitol accept comment rules based on normally accepted guidelines as seen almost everywhere else. I agree, this is not a gossip forum and of course you (The Management or Owners of Capitol) can write the rules to say whatever you want. But that does not make you right.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 25 days 17 hours ago
Mug Shots
Suspects who get arrested and booked get their picture taken. This is known as a "mug shot." No need for an expensive photographer to participate. Public informaton. FOIA. Publish the photos identified as a "suspect" innocent until proven guilty, no race need be mentioned. It is in the public interest to published these photos, especially in the Shadyside car thefts and car invasions in Hunt Meadow in Annapolis. The public need to know what these people look like. If I see these folks in my neighborood late at night, I'm calling law enforcement. Law enforcement can then decide if it is simply a late night stroll fifty miles from home or just make a note only to discover later that a car invasion or theft happened that same night two weeks later and maybe this is a person of interest. Law enforcement and the public must work together to help these people get off their crime addiction. The public can't do that without a picture of the suspect. It's in the public interest and publishers should not shy away from their responsibilites to provide a public service. And you can skip the whole "race" problem you have.
Charlie Taylor - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 2 hours ago
Johnathan
No, that's not the case at all. I cannot fully explain why I took the offending post down because that would necessitate repeating the slanderous comments. The best I can say is that relationships were drawn between various people involved in this story that had absolutely no basis in fact.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 2 hours ago
57 and counting
Paul, go to the story page the comments are on ..count them...there are now 57. They're all there to see. And guess what Paul, every one of your comments is there for everyone to read. The number shown in the top five list only reflects the comments made in the last 24 hours. Every time a comment is deleted by this staff there is an entry that says so and you can plainly see that four are missing. Perhaps Jean's comment didn't meet a strict legal definition of libel - I don't know, I'm not a lawyer - but that's not the threshold here. Jean doesn’t seem to understand the difference between fact and speculation. And you’re wrong Paul; while Jean didn’t name names in the slanderous speculation she posted she did make it quite obvious who she was talking about. This is a discussion forum, not a court of law. This company hosts it. We’ll determine the rules and I’ll enforce them as I see fit. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. Most of what Paul says – but not all - about photographs is correct. I was a photojournalist for many years and I shot many suspects, defendants and criminals of all races and economic backgrounds. They were all run in the paper. There was a time when we were provided “perp walks” so that we could get such photos. That’s not the case anymore. Access is severely restricted. Of course if this state allowed cameras in the courts we’d be able to get such photos. Maryland, unfortunately, is one of the few states in this country where it’s almost entirely prohibited. Even if we could are we going to waste our time trying to get photos of a bunch of car thieves? I think not.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 3 hours ago
I dont get it
So I'm not sure I understand Nick's assertion; is he/she saying that to identify someone else's race on a public forum is now a slanderous statement? I have heard far worse in music on terrestrial (public) radio and no one is filing libel suites against the artists. Give me a break, its obvious that some of the posters hit a nerve here with their comments. I guess calling it as they see it no longer flys here?
Johnathan Locke - Edgewater, MD
1 month 26 days 3 hours ago
Out of Left Field
Public relations for Mensa?
D B - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 10 hours ago
Thank you Paul!
As a person who stands up for other people, and rarely has anyone to do the same, I want to thank Paul, as well as everyone else who stood up for the facts. Keep sending the nasty emails Nicky, you still have no idea who I am, or what i do for a living. Gotta check the brownies now, unlike most women I cook, and very well might I add!
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 11 hours ago
It's Jean!
I can't believe y'all are still dickering over this! Yes this is Jean R. I went to Vegas to get married, I come back and still see people fighting over nothing. Get over it! Everyone on this talks about what they do for a living............. Please y'all havent' a clue what I do, do ya?
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 26 days 16 hours ago
Photographs
Ckarlie wrote, "Why doesn't the Capitol publish the descriptions and photos (public information) from the police report and booking of these car thieves? No liability for publishing public information! That would go a long way toward readers making up their own minds." Charlie, The Capitol reports on what they have at hand so far as information at their deadline. Sending a photographer would probably not work in crime cases like this as there is little to see and they'd probably get nothing anyway. That's the way it is. However if a photo was taken the Editors would make judgements as to being appropriate or not. Dead bodies are not, crashed cars are OK, Blacks accused of crimes probably not, Whites accused of crimes....I don't know. Convicted Black criminals, I've never seen it. Convicted whites? Ask Nick but probably OK if he hurt a child or a member of a 'Protected Class' member. But that is conjecture on my part based on only 25 years reading the paper and watching trends.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 26 days 16 hours ago
Nick and Math
There WERE 40 comments then 27. Yes I used caps as emphasis. You do the math. Or do you need me to do it? The fact is you refuse to allow folks to speak their mind and now anyone who has not followed (And printed the comments every day) has no clue what we are talking about! This is what is called 'Rewriting History', the backbone of the Marxist/Socialist/Liberals. Which are you dear Moderator? Or all three? By the way I'm not a 'Conservative', I'm an American that observes actions and trends and suports others that report what they observe and tell the truth about it no matter if it makes a member of a so-called 'Protected Class' uncomfortable. Nick, comments here are opinion and fact. You cannot twist this into Libel. No names were mentioned and no derogatory comments were made so where is the Libel, Slander or whatever made you quake or fear that Lawyers were about to file Suit? Has the NAACP or ACLU filed a cease and desist letter? I'd guess not but not because you did anything/removed posts but because folks were simply expressing their opinion. Or do you just allow opinions that you agree with? You've said this is not the case but it appears that it is since most posts agree not with you but with pretty much everybody else. Let us discuss the issues of crime and tell the truth no matter how it makes you 'Feel'. Stop 'Feeling' and start 'Thinking'! Think! Then let us talk about stories hat the Capitol reports and affects us for God's sake! Or are you afraid the ACLU will sue you because I said 'GOD'? Is it OK to put GOD in all Caps? Or is that a violation too? And rebutting your statement that the First Amendment is taking a hit these days I agree. Your ilk try to kill it every day.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 27 days 1 hour ago
More from moderator
Paul…I should delete your “DB” comment because it’s exceedingly rude to a user of this site which is, of course, against the rules. Instead I leave it up as it’s much easier for me to let you make your comments and let readers decide for themselves if you’re anyone worth reading. Perhaps you should work on your math. There are now 50 comments to this story with four of them having been deleted. That’s less than 10%; not anywhere close to 25%. “Politically incorrect” is simply a phrase that conservatives have coined to paste on people with whom they don’t agree. It’s always been enormously frustrating to journalists endeavoring to be unbiased because to both rightists and leftists there’s no middle of the road. I’m not a conservative so, to you, I can be nothing but a liberal, or visa versa. Of course everyone has biases. The difference is that we practice to be aware of and overcome our own biases and beliefs. Unfortunately some commenters only wish to vilify those who don’t share their views rather than offer reasoned commentary. My intent is to keep truly offensive and slanderous comments off this site; not just comments offensive to conservatives, but those that are offensive to anyone. But then it’s got to be pretty offensive. We’ve taken down about 40 posts this year – barely one a week. Most of those have been because commenters used obviously fake names or wrote in all caps. Then there are those who wish to assign us ulterior motives when we run certain stories. This is a news organization. We report the news. In many cases, particularly those involving crime, we are limited to reporting what authorities tell us because victims or witnesses are unavailable. Frequently all we have to go on is a police report. We don’t have days and weeks to do these stories but minutes and hours. While more information may be available after the fact we simply don’t have the manpower to revisit every story that we publish.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 27 days 8 hours ago
Point missed entirely
It is easy to sit behind your keyboard and say rude things to make yourselves feel better. I would place money odds you guys would not speak to each other face to face the way you do on this forum, and if would, seek counseling immediately. Try and show some self respect and act like adults. And yes I would say that to your faces.
Amy S. - Crownsville, MD
1 month 27 days 13 hours ago
Publish Description
Why doesn't the Capitol publish the descriptions and photos (public information) from the police report and booking of these car thieves? No liability for publishing public information! That would go a long way toward readers making up their own minds. Of course, if your boss gets caught up in a prostitute sting, you'll have to take a bye!
Charlie Taylor - Annapolis, MD
1 month 27 days 16 hours ago
Get a grip...
DB, I'm with you. Paul and Jean, perhaps you could create your own blog on your own site? Not everyone cares to read your racially charged comments. Nick, you have shown more self-control on the use of the "delete" button for these two than I would.
Jeffrey O. - Pasadena, MD
1 month 27 days 17 hours ago
D B
Butt out. Fully 25% of all the posts have been removed and nobody ever said anything Libelous. I know, I run a Web Blog for a National paper not the Naptown Rag. The facts are what Jean supposed and were later proven to be facts. So D B, what's your take? You want to comment on the story or are you a history re-writing PC Liberal too?
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 27 days 22 hours ago
Paul and Jean
Like it or not, the moderator of this site has the right to remove posts that he deems to be libelous statements. I read the post before its removal and while it did include a few facts, the rest was purely conjecture. This is not the Paul and Jean show, it is a forum sponsored and moderated by the Capital, which has rules of participation. Berating a moderator on a forum where you are a guest is childish and makes you both look rather small.
D B - Annapolis, MD
1 month 28 days 16 hours ago
Nice email!
Nick was nice enough to send me a nasty email as well. I wish I had a job where I could sit around all day and send people nasty emails. He needs a hobby.
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 28 days 17 hours ago
I can't prove anything
Since Nick deletes posts we'll never know what Jean wrote will we? So we can post Truth, unless Nick says we can't. Or we can post opinion, unless Nick says we can't. If it IS a fact Nick can say it is not a fact. If we post opinion it's Racist because Nick says so. Welcome to NewSpeak folks, yep, politically Correct shameless B.S. I can say George Washington was the first President but good old Nick will say that's a lie and say George was a White slave owner and that's the only truth anybody needs to know. Wake up Nick, few agree with you so you might want to look inward or simply stop being a PC nitwit.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 28 days 17 hours ago
There's a shocker!
Told you I would get deleted, took him long enough!
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
1 month 29 days 4 hours ago
Paul
What she said was only partially true...according to Jean. The rest of what she said could easily proved to be false. Regardless of what you say people can still file frivolous suits that cost us time and money. As far as the First Amendment is concerned...it's taken a number of hits lately. Courts have given plaintiffs wider latitude in defining what libel is.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 29 days 4 hours ago
Fact or fiction?
To elaborate...Jean did offer us information - that she claimed to have obtained from a reliable source - that people involved in this story are black . That I wouldn't have objected to and, indeed, I am repeating that information here. What she went on to do was offer slander based on speculation and assumption that had absolutely no basis in the information from the story or anywhere else. There have been contradictory rulings when it comes to news organizations and public comments. One view says that we're not responsible for what readers post in open comments. More recently there has been some doubt cast on that concept. Either way...how would you like it to be part of a libel lawsuit because of your comments? No, we won't pay your legal bills. That's why I can't allow such comments. To read more about prejudiced comments read Sunday's column by Capital-Gazette publisher Tom Marquardt: http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2008/10_05-39/OPN
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
1 month 29 days 4 hours ago
Libel
"Statements of opinion or pure opinion are not actionable. In order to win damages in a libel case, the plaintiff must first show that the statements were "statements of fact or mixed statements of opinion and fact" and second that these statements were false." What she said was true. Or is the First Amendment dead?
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
1 month 29 days 6 hours ago
Jean
Yes, I've deleted one of your comments. It's perfectly fine that you offered information about the people involved in, what you claim was, a factual manner. But then you brought in pure speculation which is potentially libelous.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
2 months 3 hours ago
Nevermind
I figured it out
Jean R. - Annapolis, MD
2 months 4 hours ago
Too much fun!
Two things 1) this is quite entertaining since there isn't squat on TV tonight and 2) Does anyone know how to change your account info, like my address since I moved out of Bowie, thank God. I have tried everything
jean r. - bowie, MD
2 months 4 hours ago
Dad Please!
You cannot say 'black, brown, or yellow'! PC Cop Nick (Or one of his Brown (Oops!) Shirted 'Comrades' will shut off your Internet!
Paul Flanagan - Shady Side, MD
2 months 4 hours ago
Scum
Perhaps we should substitute the word scum for those black, white, brown or yellow criminals who prey on our populace. Until the media declares that word to be "politicaly incorrect".
Wayne Flanagan - denton, MD
2 months 4 hours ago
Anytime
Hopefully he's getting a butt-chewing by his boss. But let's allow Nick save face. He's interpreting the 'Rules' as a typical Liberal IE you can't tell the truth if it makes leftists or a 'Protected Class' uncomfortable. I advise the publishers of the Capitol to take a good hard look at the truth and stop being such darned PC handwringing pantywaists.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 5 hours ago
Ha Ha
Sounds good, I guess Nick had a date or something, we haven't heard anything out of him in a while.
jean r. - bowie, MD
2 months 5 hours ago
Naw
Jean the Truth Teller, I don't gamble and I stacked the deck anyhow by outing Nick to the public and...etc. But I'll buy you a beer anytime.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 5 hours ago
Your Welcome
I got 50 that says our comments are deleted within the hour
jean r. - bowie, MD
2 months 5 hours ago
Thank You Jean!
I knew the same thing and would have published it but was afraid Nick would delete it. He might still delete our posts but his Boss now knows what we already know; the Emperor has no clothes and Nick won't allow us poor Peons to tell the truth. The Good Folks in Shady Side now know the car thieves are not skinny American Indians, Whites or Hispanics. Hey Nick, can we say one of them looks like a typical NFL Halfback or would that be racist too? Our frazzled Nick sees a racist behind every bush and it's simply not true.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 5 hours ago
 
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2 months 7 hours ago
Nick Please!
Nick, Shady Side residents read the Capitol online and could tell us who they saw stealing the car, running from the cops, getting arrested etc. Since you won't tell us we have to tell each other. And no we don't give a rat's butt what color these criminals are but apparently you do. We just want a description. The punk that stole my motorbike was white/Caucasian and I let my neighbors know that. Funny, the Capitol refused to run that story. Sad to say in A.A. County and the rest of the U.S. many crimes are commited by Blacks (But no African-Americans according to the Capitol!) but that is a simple statistic. Here in Shady Side we are folks of many races but (In Caps) We don't care! Truth is truth. Let us comment on the truth without Political Correctness on your part. We promised not to use nasty slang and nobody did. I believe you ran the story for several reasons. Lurid, unusual, and you get to let us hear a cop say basically 'Don't try this folks or we'll take your gun'.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 9 hours ago
Paul
How is it you're going to find out the description of the men from commenters? One comment that was removed only offered speculation that the men are black coupled with a racist stereotype. So how does that help you identify anyone? It only attempts to promote the stereotype that all blacks are criminals. If, as you say, this company is so loving of criminals why do we devote so much space to informing the public of crime? And why, if we don't care, did we run this particular story in the first place?
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
2 months 11 hours ago
Dear Nick
We needed to know their description because we don't want them back and need to recognize them when they do return. You see, they've already been released from jail on no Bond. I'll bet that pleases you and the rest of the non-caring Liberal Staff at the Capitol.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 12 hours ago
Paul
What did you mean by "Somebody describe the guys who stole the car."? Granted your comments were not among the ones I took down. You did complain that posts were removed and those did refer to race.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
2 months 13 hours ago
Nick
Nick, I never mentioned Race.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 18 hours ago
Court day
We all know the overworked DA/prosecutor will just plead them out. Community service anyone? I just wish, should I ever make a mistake, that I get the same treatment as some of these career criminals receive, day in and day out.
Johnathan Locke - Edgewater, MD
2 months 1 day 2 hours ago
Good for him!
What Mr. Gross did took courage. He could have been run down, shot at, injured or killed like so many of our brave law enforcement officers, may they rest in peace. I am not calling him a hero, but he did what needed to be done to stop those guys and get their attention. No one was killed, the criminals were caught and they will get their day in court.
D. Martin - Edgewater, MD
2 months 1 day 4 hours ago
From the editor
Why are Paul and Karen so intent on making light of the race of the suspects in this story? They – and a few others on different pages – seem eager to condemn entire classes and races with narrow-minded stereotypes. What Paul calls “political correctness” I call removing racial slurs. Those comments that have been removed were the most egregious. Paul is eager to point out to us when a commenter with whom he disagrees is in violation of our rules yet he seems to have missed the one that states, “No attacks on individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity or other classification.” Every day I read comments that I (personally) wholeheartedly disagree with. But as I am committed to allowing a robust exchange of ideas on this site the only comments that are removed are ones that blatantly violate the rules.
Nick Lundskow - Annapolis, MD
2 months 1 day 5 hours ago
 
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2 months 1 day 11 hours ago
What we guessed.
Go to http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp Released own recognizance after terrifying an entire peninsula!
Paul Flanagan - Shady Side, MD
2 months 1 day 11 hours ago
Remove THIS!
Hi All: Guess we have to presume that the perps in this case were WHITE. Because EVERY post that says otherwise has been removed by the Capital today! Vote Democrat! ;)
Karen E. - annapolis, MD
2 months 1 day 11 hours ago
Somebody describe
The guys who stole the car. Apparently some folks already HAVE but the Capitol keeps removing the posts. Political correctness run amuck. Hey Capitol Gazette, go read 'The Emporors New Clothes'.
Paul F. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 1 day 11 hours ago
MR. GROSS
What would the AAC police do? About the time you had called the police they would had gotten away or recked the vehicle.Mr. Gross only fired warming shots.He could had shot them.
r. brown - glen burnie, MD
2 months 1 day 13 hours ago
 
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2 months 1 day 18 hours ago
Waiting for
josh Cohen to chide the police officers for dangerously pursuing the criminals. I don't know why the police want us to put down are guns and pick up a pen, and wait for the liberal members of the county council to again hold the rights of criminals above the victims.
Peter D. - Annapolis, MD
2 months 1 day 21 hours ago
save us the effort
I only wish that it would be easier for him to have put three of those shots into the windshield. We all know what happens next, the thieves' families sue him and walk away the winners. See, crime does pay. Maybe he should have just pulled them out and beat them a bit.
Johnathan Locke - Edgewater, MD
2 months 2 days 1 hour ago
 
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2 months 2 days 1 hour ago
Good for Mr. Gross
As a fellow Shady Side resident, I am PROUD to have a neighbor like him. A man who won't stand iddly by as crimminals do as they please, stealing our property and invading our lives. This man embodies the very best example of self-reliance and a sense of right and wrong. The police response time from Edgewater can be over 15 minutes. That's an eternity in crimminal-time. You simply cannot rely on a 911 to to stop ANYTHING in progress down here. It's up to YOU. And for those misinformed people who worry that shotgun pellets fired up into the air will come down with enough energy to injure someone - they don't. They fall out of the air with the same velocity as a handfull of tossed BB's. They go up fast, but come down relatively slow. I've been a waterfowler all my life, and I've never seen pellets harm anyone at even the busiest duck ponds and skeet ranges. We were all perfectly safe from Mr. Gross' shotgun.
James H. - Shady Side, MD
2 months 2 days 2 hours ago
Shoot Car Thieves
The only mistake Dad made was shooting into the air. He should have shot the car thieves right between the eyes & saved the taxpayers a ton of money. Next time, the criminals would think twice before commiting crime in Shadyside.
Charlie Taylor - Annapolis, MD
2 months 2 days 5 hours ago
Some are still strong
Glad to see that there's still a few Americans who think it's ok to defend yourself and your property. While I agree that shooting in the air might not be the best move (assuming this was in a suburban area) I applaud anybody who stands up for themselves. Criminals in Maryland know they have a blank check to cash violently on the backs of Maryland's hardworking citizens. Some people have just had enough.
Scott Dembowski - Annapolis, MD
2 months 2 days 6 hours ago
Idiotic
"firing a gun into the air is dangerous and can cause injusy. Even if he meant it aa a warning, what goes up must come down and shot or slugs will come down with enough velocity to injury animals or people (even kids) playing in yards nearby. There are numerous examples of this sort of thing happening all over the country. He simply should get the information and description and call the police." Shotgun pellets indeed come down...like freezing rain. I DO agree that shooting into the air accomplished little except scaring the crap out of the Criminals. He instead should have pumped a few rounds into the windshield. Then he's out a $100.00 windshield and the taxpayers are out nothing.
Paul Flanagan - Shady Side, MD
2 months 2 days 7 hours ago
shadyside
I guess these
Harold Lloyd - Venice, FL
2 months 2 days 7 hours ago
thats how I roll
This needs to happen all over the place. We have the right to carry and own weapons, and we dont have the right to let people steal our belongings and rely on law enforcement to "save us and our stuff". Of course police don't want us to do ANYTHING at all. Sit back grab a pen and write down information. Why don't we all just step aside and let people rip us off, steal our purses, wheel chairs, shoplift, cars.... and just relax... wait. police will solve everything... (sarcasm) I wouldn't have shot in the air thats for sure. These guys wouldn't be running through the woods if they stole my car. I am with Charles, as soon as this economy picks up and I can sell my house, I am out of here. AA county has gone majority downhill.
Amy Scott - Crownsville, MD
2 months 2 days 7 hours ago
Fun In Shadyside
If the police cannot protect us from crime, then how dare they admonish us when we defend ourselves, and then take our guns for "evidence"? Dad could have emptied his shotgun into the windows, walked away and removed three creeps out of our hair, saving us a lot of tax money. (No ballistics on shotgun pellets...heh heh) It's a tempting thought....don't you think?
Wayne Flanagan - denton, MD
2 months 2 days 8 hours ago
Mr. Gross
Kudos to Mr. Gross, we need more people like him around!
Christina D. - Harwood, MD
2 months 2 days 9 hours ago
Still cannot be allowed
While I understand what Mr. Gross did and why, and i support the thinking behind as well as one's right to bear arms, firing a gun into the air is dangerous and can cause injusy. Even if he meant it aa a warning, what goes up must come down and shot or slugs will come down with enough velocity to injury animals or people (even kids) playing in yards nearby. There are numerous examples of this sort of thing happening all over the country. He simply should get the information and description and call the police.
Glenn Atwell - Edgewater, MD
2 months 2 days 10 hours ago
I had to do same thing.
I caught a punk stealing my motorbike here in Shady Side. If I hadn't blocked the road he would have gotten away. Mark my words, one day a criminal will get hurt by a citizen. It's quite a way for our Police to travel to get here as the South County station is in Edgewater. Unless they ARE here writing traffic citations for 37 in a 30 Zone. Oh, and I hope the Dad gets his shotgun back as he'll probably need it again.
Paul Flanagan - Shady Side, MD
2 months 2 days 11 hours ago
Wow!
While I don't necessarily agree with what Mr. Gross did, the crime in Maryland (and response by the court system) is to the point you have to take matters in your own hands. How much do you want to bet those thieves have a mile long rap sheet and are back on the streets already? My family has lived in AA county and Maryland for generations, but the rising crime rates convinced me it was time to leave.
Charles J. - St Johnsbury, VT

 

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