Guest Column: The case for slots weakens

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re: more broken promises - 2008-11-03 13:02:08

the racing industry has been thrust into a position it didn't want or ask for through the infusion of slot machines in DE, PA, and WVa. slots will allow horse racing to compete on a level playing field in the form of competitive purses and breeder incentives. jobs will be secure, local business will thrive, and green space will be saved. it amazes me how little marylanders know or care about the state's most traditional sport and the huge impact it has on this state. there's a wealth of information out there if one chooses to know the facts instead of forming an opinion based on assumptions and innuendo.

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More broken promises - 2008-11-03 09:53:23

First the Maryland Lottery was going to fix things, then Maryland Lotto, then Maryland Keno, then Maryland Scratch offs...Vote no to Slots, it isn't going to fix anything, just more Government promises to be broken.

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Thanks Pam! - 2008-11-02 11:16:51

Thanks Pam for taking the side of what horse racing, farms and the employees of the industry bring to this state. I love going to the races several times a year and I've been to the Preakness and a few Maryland Million Days. But if people want to keep money flowing out of Maryland and have every last acre of green space covered with overpriced homes, I say let them have it along with more and more taxes. Northview has already built a farm in PA...who's next? As for drunken fans, you get them at other sports venues too...along with fistfights. In all the time I've gone to racetracks, I have never seen someone punch someone out who lost a bet on a horse.

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re: WOW - 2008-11-02 10:21:41

my figures came from the 2005 American Horse Council Federation via the MHBA 2007 Maryland Racing Industry Guide. as i stated, its comparable to the boating industry leaving maryland. and if your perception of 'the track' is "drunks running across port a johns under a hail of beer cans and trash" then you have obviously never been to maryland million day, thanksgiving, pony pals, or even just a nice afternoon. and i would like to see the stats on the increase in crime in DE, PA, and WVA since the slots were introduced. let's compare apples to apples for a change.

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re: I Hate to Say It - 2008-11-02 10:11:52

the racing industry contributes about $500M annually, not to mention 600K acres of green space and 11K+ jobs through the track itself and local supporting business. maybe if the state only took out 'sales' tax on each and every dollar that goes through comes out of the betting window, the racetrack could sustain itself. maryland has one of the highest take-out percentages in the country. combine that w/the soaring purses in DE, PA, and WVA, and we don't have a chance.

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Alright - 2008-11-02 10:07:27

let's delve into the economics of slots. I am going to work around a mobility theme. Ok, the State is going to get a big chunk of revenue from slots. So, how is this revenue going to work? Is the State going to have a profit sharing agreement with a gambling syndicate? Not a very palatable answer for anyone. So in reality, this is an income, or maybe sales, tax on gambling profits. Ok mobility, the old will play slots in state, because their health prevents them from traveling out of state. The upper middles, and upper classes will have the resources to travel out of state, ie Vegas, to gamble. So we have a regressive income tax on the poor and old. Let's now look at why we have a budget deficit in the face of recent huge tax increases. Again it's mobility. O'Malley's tax the rich, and spread the wealth scheme (sound familiar) back fired on him. Who bore the brunt of O'Malley's tax increases? Montgomery county. People in Montgomery county have the money to pay O'Malley's taxes. But since O'Malleys tax increases, Montgomery co has had a net minus 120,000 people. So the people who faced the brunt of O'Malley's tax increases had the resource to be mobile and move out of state. So O'Malley's socialist notion of income taxes has forced the tax base out of state, and we are left with the bill. So O'Malley plan is to roll out a regressive income tax to cover the difference. Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us twice.....

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I hate to say - 2008-11-01 23:19:27

Well, if placing a slot amendment into the state's constitution is the only way to save the horse racing industry in MD, maybe its time we say goodbye to the horses. When something that is supposed to produce revenue for the state, now, is no longer self sufficient, I don't think we should be considering passing another gambling amendment to cover our losses on the first.

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Vote No to Question 2! - 2008-11-01 11:12:57

Vote no to Question 2! No bailout for the racing (if it's true that it will fail without Slots).

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reason might help - 2008-10-31 16:38:06

It is well-researched fact that there are social costs associated with gambling. What is the balance between the known negatives and an unknown amount of new revenue? How has the State of Maryland dealt with budgetary shortfalls without legalized gambling during past recessionary periods? Was that action by the State more detrimental to the people of the State than the social negatives known to result from legalized gambling? Why are race tracks essential to Maryland? What bad things will happen if we don't have Maryland tracks? All of these factors, and more, need to be considered by voters in their decision-making.

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You're Kidding right? - 2008-10-31 12:31:27

I am a child of the Jersey Shore, Cape May Court House, and I know for sure Atlantic City is nasty! My family and I go back to CMCH every summer and Atlantic City is not somewhere we routinely visit on our trips .... Atlantic City is dirty and full of crime, drugs and prositution. I would never be out there after dark! This life of drugs and crime is not the future I want to pass to my childen and not the slippery slope I want my state to start down. Question #2 should ask voters if they want slots in their neighborhoods, within 2 miles of where they live .... I bet the answer would be no! I am voting NO to Question 2 on Tues, and no one can try to scare me or con me into anything else. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is!

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ECON 101 - 2008-10-30 16:30:15

R. Anderson,

Still zero specifics from you on what your plan would be to plug the gaping hole in our budget deficit. And amusing that you would deign to give me the lesson in economics when your postings are so clearly devoid of anything that approaches Econ 101. You obviously have zero understanding of said economics, thus your hiding behind "there is not enough space here" to explain such a nuanced understanding of the economic landscape, Mr. Volcker (look it up online since I'd hardly expect you to understand the reference).

Typically, when you can't say something simply in a few sentences, it's because you don't understand it. Clearly true of you, and your inane conjecture. You say "NO NEW REVENUE" as though putting it in caps makes it true. And even if that were indeed the case (which it's not), you once again fail to address the economic (yes ECONOMIC, I know a concept you struggle with) benefits of keeping dollars (that are already being spent by MD residents in surrounding state slots facilities) in MD slots operations instead. Please, R Anderson, sensible specifics, not mindless Franchot generic chatter. Think honest solutions for a change, not throwing stones when we are all living in glass houses given the present economic turmoil.

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Slots - 2008-10-30 15:14:05

Wow Libby I would hate to be your neighbor. Fact is there are those who gamble for fun on a bus trip and those who unfortunately have some problems. For those few problem people why should our schools suffer. I am oringally from NJ and am very familiar with Atlantic City. As a kid in the 70's my family had friends down there and we would go visit...talk about some scary neighbors, but since the casino companies came in and built up the Boardwalk and Marina areas, it is a realitively nice area now. I am all for Donald Trump or someone on that caliber of building style and demands to come to MD and do the same for us.

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Wow and ect. - 2008-10-30 13:36:29

How many buses and cars are traveling through MD from D.C. and Va go to slots palors in surrounding states? When I was at Harrington, DE last week 12 buses shipped in from Baltimore and 2 from VA. I have also seen buses from North Carolina!
This Minor guy is an eccentric kook. A Saratoga like meet is about 40 days with mainly stake races for sheiks of Arabia and NY sire stakes. You could not build a state wide industry on one track. There are 3 other tracks in Maryland including two harness tracks. Not only that, in the future Saratoga is going to get a portion of Aqueduct slots revenue.

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wow reply - 2008-10-30 11:54:23

Ken: It is obvious by your ramblings you have no clue what your saying so you blow hard talk to cover that fact. There is not enough space here to give you a lesson on economics or business so just keep blowing hot air and make yourself happy.
Pam: Is the 500m a projection or current revenue. If current how is the industry ailing with that level of revenue flowing from it to the state?? My opinion is the racing industry has turned itself into a welfare case waiting for the state or slots to bail it out. The rest of the business world adapts to challenges so it may grow as the world around it changes. The racing industry has done little to adapt or market itself to create a new positive image. People do not view "the track" as positive or a place to go on a Sat afternoon. For Ex: the image of drunks running across port a johns under a hail of beer cans and trash is the image people see of Preakness, thus the track. The industry should seek solutions to fix itself with incentives from the state not a bailout from slots or citizens.

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naivete - 2008-10-30 11:49:38

Libby,

It is you who are woefully uninformed. You don't have to go all the way to Australia for examples. We have West Virgina, Pennsylvania, and Delaware whose local communities (and state coffers) are all thriving since slots have become operational in those states. Your doomsday scenarios are the product of anti slots crusaders - they are enormously fond of trotting out these brutal images to try to scare people. Trouble is people are smarter than that. They recognize that those who are going to gamble themselves into oblivion already have multiple ways to do so without slots coming to a mere five locations in MD (several of which already allow legalized gambling on the premises)...Internet gambling, the MD lottery, sports betting, and slots in surrounding states just a short drive away to name just a few. It is you who is unfortunately naive about that fact, not we. How do you deign to replace lost MD revenue (that is being gambled in other states) that we so badly need? The question is not whether gambling is going to occur, it is whether Maryland is going to educate our children, or simply continue to educate the children of others in West Virginia, Delaware and Pennsylvania instead with MD dollars. That is the clearcut choice, please don't kid yourself into believing otherwise.

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WAKE UP AND VOTE "NO" - 2008-10-30 10:24:39

You people are being conned by the gambling industry! So were we in Australia! You have not been told the truth and you think like we did that slots would be an easy fix!
Wait until YOUR next street neighbour hangs herself off the rear balcony, to be found by her kids after school. She had just lost the last $2,500 equity in her family home and her family did not even know of her day-time addiction to slots.
Wait until YOUR kid gets bullied by an over-tired, over-stressed child of an over-spending slots addict who belts him and drives the classroom teacher nuts with frustration!
WHY are you NOT seeing that your hard earned community money is about to be stolen out of your state by the gambling industry at the expense of ethical, strong family local businesses?
The people pleading with you to say NO are not kill-joys! They are trying to tell you all that you have been deceived and have only been told the 'good bits' but the 'bad bits' will leave YOU citizens picking up the pieces.
WHY would Australia now be trying to BAN slots if slots had been so good for our communities?
And by the way...since slots came here...our horse-racing industry has all but died because of them...and our health costs have soared so THINK again before you vote...or put up with the consequences.
But do not sneer when you are so obviously ill informed...blame the gambling industry for being misleading and your government for being lazy! It has NOT protected you by giving you full information and is about to sell you out totally.
When in doubt as you should be on slots...vote NO until you have all had a good chance to learn more and debate it more realistically.

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re: WOW - 2008-10-30 08:36:09

sorry, that should be $500M.

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re: WOW - 2008-10-30 08:29:54

how will maryland make up the $500B annual revenue LOST when the racing industry moves out?

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maryland dollars - 2008-10-30 02:50:49

Last I checked, capturing maryland dollars that are already being gambled across state lines constitutes real revenues that are presently being lost to surrounding states. Or are we rambling too logically for you? Wow, and put money into "attracting businesses to and developing businesses within Maryland". Hmm indeed, quite the stroke of genius, with such admirable specifics. Given such tangible/actionable ideas, how can we fail to capture the revenue that will be lost to other states when guys like you attempt to vote down an actual partial solution to our budget woes. Come to think of it, this is the reason we didn't pass a slots bill four or five years ago - never enough revenue, takes too long to generate $$ etc...please stop with the silliness and simply admit that you just despise gambling on any terms (lottery anyone?).

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WOW - 2008-10-30 01:14:34

With all this hard talk and rambling no one seems to get the point. As a state surrounded by states with slots there will be no real new revenue generated by slots in Maryland!!!! Thats right no one will come from out of state to play here when they could play at home, therefore the only money made will be from the already over burdened people of Maryland. NO NEW REVENUE!!!
These short cuts and tricks are not going to solve our economic woes.
Put the money and tax incentives into attracting businesses to and developing businesses within Maryland so we generate jobs and New revenue.
HHHHMMM Growth vs Tricks... think about it... which one sounds like a solution?

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Farms already relocating! - 2008-10-29 21:22:34

Northview Stallion Station is finishing up building their stud farm in PA. They weren't about to wait for the slots vote. I don't blame them. We're talking about people's work--some farms have been in families for years. Nobody talks about the people being put out of work...but I'm sure we'll hear the complaining if some of them go on the dole or we get higher taxes. I would also hate to see farmland turned into more "towne centres" or overpriced homes in cookie cutter subdivisions.

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more scare tactics - 2008-10-29 19:49:56

i wonder if this is the same anti-slots guy who was going to buy hialeah racetrack in florida and restore it to its former glory? that didn't happen, either. instead of being afraid of what MIGHT happen if slots are legalized, think about what WILL happen if they're not. GONE: losing the horse racing industry is economically comparable to losing the boating industry. GONE: horse racing provides fulltime employment for 11K+ people. GONE: horse racing preserves approx. 600K acres of farmland in maryland. breeding and racing farms are already poised to relocate to pennsylvania and the developers are salivating.

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total joke - 2008-10-29 19:49:15

How can you even allow this joker to write an editorial? First, he quotes a completely absurd study that his own anti slots group funded. Every indepedent study that has been undertaken comes to opposite conclusions as to the positive (not negative) benefits associated with the jobs and revenues that are brought to communities with slots in surrounding states. Second, he alludes to $500M that gaming operators will receieve each year. He fails to mention that these are revenue approximations (that he himself has said are too high) which will be whittled down hugely once operator expenses are factored into the equation. Third, he throws out Halsey Minor as some sort of horse racing visionary when the simple truth is that the tracks can simply not compete in a world where purses are supplemented by slots revenues in surrounding states but not here in Maryland. Just because one individual says so (someone who has a vested interest in trying to cut a deal to buy the tracks), doesn't mean that he knows anything about what he's talking about. Halsey Minor made his money by selling a website, not running racetracks. What a joke, even the chairman of his own group wants to jump ship, what a colossal embarrassment

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Unbelievable - 2008-10-29 18:51:21

11000 suicides caused by slots. Do you really think the Maryland voting public will believe that? How can you print something like that? It would be laughable if it didn't make light of the tragedy of suicide. Not to mention the 16000 divorces.

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