Man gets 7 years for intentional hit-and-run

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Nobody Gets it! - 2009-07-30 01:05:55

It's amazing where the arguments here are going! There is obviously something wrong with an individual who would injure someone else with a car for kicks! All of this political B.S. that has been introduced here has nothing to do with this situation. This 18 year old, deranged individual is going to jail for 7 years...what the hell does that have to do Democrats and Republicans?...Democrats have destroyed the state of Maryland, run it into the ground! and Republicans have no say or control because about 3 of them live here! The people of Maryland like being treated like morons who need big brother to take care of them AND THEIR CHILDREN!! That pathetic fact has long been established. Getting back to this issue, if you use a car as a gamepiece and wind up injuring 2 innocent people, you'll wind up in jail.

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dianne h..... - 2009-07-29 12:05:10

If you truly are this punks mother I hope he is your only spawn and you can not reproduce any longer. How can this idiot understand his punishment when you are making excuses for him?

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Stepping in - 2009-07-29 11:41:08

Im sorry but I feel obligated to step in. I feel as if Im more or less the voice of a person of the same age group. I, a 22 yr old adult grew up with video games. Ive played violant video games from Doom, Grand theft auto, and other games that simulate other law breaking activities. When ever I see someone that blames a video game, or a movie for theyre action, I literally laugh out loud. Anyone child, or Adult that tries to place blame on a video game activity or watching something on television is just merely trying to find an easy way out. I dont care what studies may prove, because while always loving the game grand theft auto I know VERY WELL, the difference between a video game and reality. This individual and others like him just simply do not care. I believe that his punishment was fare, and that he was taught our justice system correctly. We all know that he will in no way serve the full 7yrs, BUT he will have a very troubled time moving on with his life afterwards.. From finding a job, to being excepted by peers, and the general public.

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Stepping in. - 2009-07-29 11:36:58

I also feel that our justice system isnt really a great fix for people who are locked up. You take people and you cage them and often turn them into animals with the type of environment and you then release them back into the wild and expect them to change because youve caged them. These people need to be counseled, taught, and mentored throughout theyre stay to insure that they are not going to return to the state in which they came in, or have even become over the time there, but that is an entirely different subject.

I feel for Nathan Mother, and I understand here need to come in here and speak out.. I also agree that I dont see it probable that the vehicle was moving at 30mph. You have a door with an average weight of about 40-50 lbs, traveling at a speed of 30mph.. That is a TREMENDOUS amount of force per square inch. The effects would be devastating. These were either not a direct impact, or the car was clearly not traveling those speeds. The door would also be crumbled do to impact and is designed to do so. You wouldnt even be able to close it. I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING HIS ACTION, Merely stating the obvious and facts.

Mom-
Speaking of immaturity? While I agree both people in the party should be humiliated and ashamed, You are no better then them. Society doesnt get better when everyone on the outside is pointing and throwing rocks. I can guarantee you this mother never taught her child to do anything like this, Its something that he made as a decision on his own. I have done many things in my past where my mother would NEVER condone, or stand behind. Does that make her a bad mother? Not at all! It just means that Ive decided to branch on my own.

Im a bit surprised at the general responses of everyone passing blame from video games, to immaturity. We need to just take a step back and say that this person was just generally wrong in doing what he did, he was tried, committed, and punished. The End.

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Mom - 2009-07-27 12:54:00

He is 18 years old. He is not a child. Hitting two children with a car is not the act of an immature boy. Throwing a toy car at another kid is the act of an immature boy. He should be upset and humiliated and you should be upset and humilated as well. Have you contacted the mother of the two boys he harmed to apologize?

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clueless - 2009-07-27 12:25:05

this is Nathan's mom and i need to set a few things straight. Before all just assumes that what is posted in the newspaper is correct, maybe all needs to realize that this is a one sided story. Yes, my son did this but the information posted by the paper is VERY dramatized. He did this for no other reason than the fact that he is IMMATURE and didn't even think about the consequences of hurting those boys. He was pressured by his peers to do this and he WAS NOT doing 30 MPH. Think about it, look at cars when they are in an accident doing 30MPH? A lot of damage to both vehicles. Experts stated in court that he was doing between 8-12 mph. Had he been doing 30MPH, those kids would have been seriously injured and thank goodness they were not. Nathan is very upset and HUMILIATED by his actions and before all of you jump to conclusions about him and how he was raised, maybe you should find out more details before passing judgement. He is not a monster. Just an immature boy that did something EXTREMELY STUPID and will pay for a long long time. I just hope when he is put into prison with murderers and rapists, that it doesn't change him into a hardened person.

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Racism - 2009-07-27 08:50:25

Here we go again. This is getting really old. The race card is an old worn out excuse. It won't work any more. Last time I checked, the president of the most powerful nation in the world was black. Seems to me that invalides all claims that blacks are opressed in this country. As Bob Dylan said, "The times they are a changin".

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Hey JJ - 2009-07-26 19:25:09

Maybe this is Tina/Reggie. Chuck L....get it Chuckle LOL back at you

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Racial Element - 2009-07-26 18:32:50

There was/is no racial element to this case, until you dropped the 'bait'. You aren't helping your cause by that, you know. Is that what you want? To rile some people up? Tina/Reggie, is that you? LOL.

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Manslaughter - 2009-07-25 23:09:40

No thank you JJ. But do you need statistics? It is what it is.

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Nice Try... - 2009-07-25 20:48:00

Nice try Chuck...let's drag some racial crap into this. Do you need a hug?

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Right-Wing-Family-Values-Cult - 2009-07-25 13:30:43

Your kidding right Patrick S? You know there is a very good chance that Renee is a right wing conservative. Especially when you take into accounts that many individuals who push for such legislation are right-wing conservatives. Or do you think that David Walsh is secretly a liberal?

As the very poorly named Patriot Act has shown, those on the right side of the aisle have no loyalty or respect for the foundations this country was built upon. The only loyalty they have is in attempting to try and preserve their morally simplistic "Leave it to Beaver" society. And damn any law or freedom that gets in their way to bring that about.

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Manslaughter - 2009-07-25 13:30:30

If he was black, he would be sentence to 100 years. If the 2 victims were black he would have received 5.

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Continued due to "cropping" - 2009-07-25 10:36:12

The last paragraph completes as:

So those tin-pot-dictator-wannabes who want criminals to be given lesser sentences by scapegoating some other excuse (a book, music, TV show, game, etc) so they can have "ammunition" to justify banning something they don't like something and believe others MUST (as opposed to voluntarily choosing whatever path they want) also not be allowed to partake or participate can slosh off to their muck pile because they've, yet again, been caught in another lie and deceit. Amazing how the "morally superior" tend to get caught in those all the time, eh?

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Follow Up to the story - 2009-07-25 10:34:10

Various sites have followed this news story, as shown just by Google.

At least one has followed up on this article/story.

The follow up brings into question this "journalist's" integrity.

The "journalist" who wrote this article clearly implied that it was the prosecutor who scapegoated a video game for the defendant's actions.

Except, that such an idea didn't, in fact, originate with the State Attorney's office. According to interviews with the Deputy State Attorney McDonald, the idea actually originated from the defendant and their attorney, as it always does. You can find the interview at ps3attitude.com dated July 24th.

Indeed, to date, no one has actually found this capability within any of the GTA games. In fact, "door checking" appears to be a brand new term, other than used in a patent for a door hinge.

In addition, Gamepolitics.com also updated their original article following the one at this site, interviewing the "journalist" on this article. Apparently, he KNEW that the idea of scapegoating video games as a defense originated with the defense, not with the State Attorney's office. He was also unaware of the capability within the game.

Finally, it should also be noted that attacking others with car doors is not, in fact, a new idea that originated with GTA. Though I have no specific citations for TV shows of the action/crime drama genre, I vaguely recall a number of them from the '70s and '80s, at the least, making use of this ability. However, an actual case of an individual attacking others with a car door can be found at http://bit.ly/WJTEm

And Google a number of different ways ("attacked with a car door", "assault with a car door", "hit with a car door", etc) produces a great many results, but this case usually appears first. Many other cases fall further into the searches.

So those tin-pot-dictator-wannabes who want criminals to be given lesser sentences by scapegoating some othe

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game blaming nonsense - 2009-07-24 16:53:43

I'm curious as to how GTA managed to get blamed in all of this because "door checking" as they mentioned it here isn't possible in the game at all.

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7 Years - 2009-07-23 22:23:42

Not only will Nathan be behind bars for 7 years, he'll be the "Belle of the Ball" for those 7 years!

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Reaping, etc. - 2009-07-23 17:37:55

I knew at 12-13 the consequences of my actions, because my parents taught me right from wrong, the difference between reality and fantasy, and that my actions would and could affect me for the rest of my life. I also was taught pride in family, and was loathe to bring disgrace and or dishonor to my family. These things are not taught anymore. Of that, I'm certain.

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Stupidity - 2009-07-23 15:58:29

I find it hard to believe that an 17 or 18 year old would not think of how badly injured 2 kids would be if he hit them with a car at 30 mph. And to think that his attorney trying to blame a violent game is ridiculous. There is a lot of accountability to be had and to blame someone or something else is out of line.
I played video games growing up that had fire breathing monsters. I never once tried to breathe fire.

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Reaping whats been sowed - 2009-07-23 12:58:04

I'm thinking this kid assaulted the other two boys without thinking this through. I bet he didn't consider how badly hurt they would get, but just, like he said, thought it would be cool. This is just someone reenacting something he saw and portayed a hundred times in his game. I don't think you can blame the parents on this either, I know a
lot of kids, and their parents don't purchase those violent type games, but their kid will find a way to get them behind their back, or at another buddies house. Kids today are not how they used to be. They display very little, if any at all, conscious empathy for violence or wrongdoing. If everyone is looking for someone to bash, then bash the village for raising the village idiots. With all of the restrictions put on parents on disciplining their children, they are told to reason with them...barf...and they'll get locked up if they get physical at all. I watched a kid, about 12, at the mall with his parents not long ago, the boy wanted something at one of the stores, the dad said no, the kid went into a rage and slapped his mother right in her face when she told him to stop it. then the kid threatened the dad with the police if he did any thing about it. And all of the kids in that area were watching every second of this crap. The public needs to realize just where we are now. The kids have the upper hand, parents have no say, teachers have no say and God, with the biggest boot of all, is no longer involved. So reap what you sow world.

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Parenting - 2009-07-23 09:01:00

I agree with those suggesting that poor parenting is a major problem. This will never happen for obvious reasons, but I'd vote for mandatory education in child phychology, parenting skills and discipline training before anyone can bare children. There are far too many people breeding that should not be.

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Ratings - 2009-07-22 23:38:43

Agreed JJ! These games come with ratings to help PARENTS control what their children is exposed to. I agree with those who say games like GTA are totally inappropriate for young people to play. However, if an older teen/adult wants to pretend to steal cars and shoot zombies, I don't see the harm. A normally developed person can grasp the difference between game and reality.

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Ban... - 2009-07-22 22:33:00

How about we ban moronic parents for letting their kids play it...that sounds better. I say it again and again, the severe lack of parenting is what is KILLING this country.

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Attempted 2nd degree - 2009-07-22 17:46:37

murder...that seems about right. If the prosecutor thought the sentence should have been harsher why didn't he go for a higher charge?

Patrick...since when are conservatives the grand protectors of the First Amendment? I expect you could find any number of right-wing groups suggesting exactly what Renee is suggesting. I happen to agree with you. Banning games is no answer - leave that to the fascists and communists. Liberal-bashing in this instance is nonsensical. It's the whole problem with politics these days. Issues aren't framed by reason, they're framed in "how can I bash the other side today."

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Ban a video game? - 2009-07-22 17:27:03

Your kidding right R. Snider? Let me guess, you also oppose our second amendment right as well? favor Obama Care, and think I should be doing more to help those less fortunate. I love you libs, always in favor of a new law. Some good old fasioned parenting may have helped.

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Violent Video Game Ban - 2009-07-22 16:38:40

From the moment the video game "Grand Theft Auto" came out on the market, it has been a source of violent and disturbing influence. Now you have a very young man who willingly ran down two younger boys with his car because he thought it would be fun to "door check" them as he'd seen done in the Grand Theft Auto video game. The language on this incredibly violent video game is reason enough to ban it. Allowing this rubbish in the hands of our youth is a crime in itself. If you think not, just ask Nathan Hartley for his thoughts after he's done his 7 year sentence with hardened criminals.

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Attempted Manslaughter? - 2009-07-22 13:06:14

"Attempted Manslaughter"? Manslaughter means the accused didn't intend for the end result. So there couldn't possibly be such a charge as attempted manslaughter. Attempted Murder would be the appropriate charge.

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door checking - 2009-07-22 12:27:19

based on his previous record ,and other things he should have been charged with attemted manslauter!

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