Annapolis resident Donna O'Malley, who has a membership at the complex, said yesterday she and some other tennis players are putting together a letter-writing campaign and petition drive in an effort to persuade the Navy to reconsider its policy.
"Within 36 hours, I got 140 e-mails in my box; people are up in arms," said O'Malley, who canceled her membership in a private club about two years ago to join the complex. "They sold people a bill of...
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$2 Bills.... - 2010-02-28 19:39:18
"Let's just let the military and middies have their little center all to themselves before they have a pity party and take their ball and go home."
Yeah, never mind the building sits on Gov't land, was built to support the Brigade, and only "non-appropriated funds" were used to build it...sounds like it is not the military doing the whining
Too bad the military uses only direct deposit these days. I read a note on another board on how a few decades ago the Navy would pay the sailors a few times a year in only $2 bills in Newport, Norfolk and San Diego just so the local merchants could understand what kind of impact the Navy had on their economy. LOL!
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N.A. - 2010-02-27 15:36:10
Mary Ann, let's see you have the B&A trail that no one uses,just like city dock the locals don't use it either.RIGHT! Why do you think my comment is irrevelant?
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Jim - 2010-02-27 11:41:34
I'm beginning to think that you are posting these rambling irrevelant messages on purpose.
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N.A - 2010-02-27 09:11:19
Fred, I love your comment but the bigger problem is the trails and bike paths are not used they just want ride in the road. I am from Montgomery Co. Md. and along the creeks{sligo & rock creek }for example they closed the road on sunday so they could ride on the,road but I can't drive the trail/path,and jog,why is it people think they are getting healthy jogging at national airport breathing the jet fumes. Go figure?
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Woof ! - 2010-02-26 19:42:07
I do not have a dog in this race, but I was struck with an epiphany that shed light on this subject.
WE the PEOPLE own the military !!! They work for us !! They have jobs because we pay taxes. Don't let the guns and Patriot Act scare you into submission my friends.
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That's - 2010-02-26 19:26:37
what I thought Janet! Crickets is all I hear
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OK, final thought from me - 2010-02-26 15:07:42
Let's just let the military and middies have their little center all to themselves before they have a pity party and take their ball and go home. Geeezz. We don't want to have to call the "whaaaambulance"
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Janet - 2010-02-26 10:33:20
so what did Chuck do that was illegal? When are you going to post this proof? Who is the Navy lawyer that told him and you what he was doing was illegal.
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Sports Complex - 2010-02-25 20:00:52
Chet Gladchuk was warned that this was illegal but he chose to ignore those warnings. The only thing Chet cares about is what Chet wants. Your article states that some of the tennis players are trying to get him to help them. They obviously dont know that he is the reason their memberships are being cancelled. He was told by the Navy lawyers not to sell the memberships but he did it anyway.
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Failing a drug test ... - 2010-02-25 17:14:39
"Failing a drug test is not a honor violation? ... Didn't the commandant a few years ago put a rule in about drinking more than 1 drink while off base because of the behavior problems and bad PR for the academy. You would not call that an honor violation?"
No Rick - failing a drug test is not an honor violation, nor drinking more than one drink.... Those are all Conduct Violations that are handled withing either the Midshipman Conduct System or the Military's Legal System. The Midshipmen Honor System is completely different - it deals specifically with violations of the Honor Concept (specifically lying, cheating and stealing...).
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Failing a drug test - 2010-02-25 16:26:29
is not a honor violation? You got to be kidding me. Didn't the commandant a few years ago put a rule in about drinking more than 1 drink while off base because of the behavior problems and bad PR for the academy. You would not call that an honor violation?
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??? - 2010-02-25 15:24:21
Have to agree with pat go to b.v or go to annapolis aquatic center if not just go jog the trails,but I guess that is to good for you.You have all the options and don't use them ,heck you can even go to the mall and walk WHAT A CONCEPT, but you think you are special!!! GET REAL!
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Rick... - 2010-02-25 14:54:48
"There are many cases of the mids, going off base and getting in trouble.
You also should remember just recently a star football player failing a drug test."
None of the examples you sight would be considered an Honor Offense.
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Fred - 2010-02-25 14:23:01
There are many cases of the mids, going off base and getting in trouble.
You also should remember just recently a star football player failing a drug test.
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jason...LOL! - 2010-02-25 14:22:19
"...Clearly certain members caught wind of this prior to last Tuesday's (2/16) letter..."
Oh, yeah! This is all a huge elitist conspiracy, but we understand you are not from MD and therefore do not care....LOL!
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Also for the Record.... - 2010-02-25 14:18:39
"This County has Two Olympic Aquatic Centers and Two Perfectly Good Racquetball/Tennis Centers.
I'm sorry to all of the Tennis Players out there who just have to use the Naval Academy's facilities but I'm sure you'd find these other facilities just as useful."
...and the County has a number of very nice bike paths of which I am sure you would find acceptable...
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Honor Code... - 2010-02-25 14:11:34
"...Now if only ALL the midshipmen would follow the same honor code. What better it would be for everybody..."
Wow Rick - way to chuck a cheap shot in there. But, there in lies your error. The Midshipman live by the Honor Concept, not an Honor Code (like at West Point) - and there is a difference. What evidence do you have that shows the Honor Concept does not apply to all Midshipmen the same way?
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Timing of notification - 2010-02-25 14:07:30
Having affiliations to one side of the debate maybe you missed this part of the article ...
"I haven't gotten anything clear other than we need to pack up and leave," Krone said yesterday. "I believe we were totally misled; I have asked to put together a panel so we can get some clear and definitive answers."
On Tuesday, Syd W. Rodenbarger, director of the Naval Academy Business Services Division, wrote to Brigade Sports Complex members, explaining the change.
Clearly certain members caught wind of this prior to last Tuesday's (2/16) letter.
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Just wait and see ... - 2010-02-25 14:06:00
"...Perhaps the Naval Academy Athletic Association should have secured private land on which to build the facility..."
LOL! Why? The Naval Academy Athletic Association is not in the business to run an athletic center. This building was built by non-appropriated funds (IE: donations) to support the mission of the Naval Academy - and for no other reason.
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Lets review... - 2010-02-25 14:01:08
"...the tennis courts aren't on the Academy grounds so take your argument and get outta here..."
Correct, they are not on Naval Academy ground, however they are located on Naval Station land - a Naval Station whose sole purpose is to support the Naval Academy in its mission.
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The Navy - 2010-02-25 10:20:12
does not want to be in the business of running a health club, the Association and the Foundation did not seem to mind.
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Wait... - 2010-02-24 21:29:54
All memberships are cancelled. Civilian and military.
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Jason - 2010-02-24 19:09:16
sure sounds like they gave notice
On Tuesday, Syd W. Rodenbarger, director of the Naval Academy Business Services Division, wrote to Brigade Sports Complex members, explaining the change.
"In the very near future, the Brigade Sports Complex will be presented to the Secretary of the Navy as a gift from the Naval Academy Athletic Association. Upon acceptance, the BSC will, by law and regulation, become a government owned and operated facility," Rodenbarger wrote.
The Navy has instructed the academy, according to the letter, to terminate all civilian memberships not later than March 31.
Members will be refunded the pro-rated balance of their dues, according to the letter.
It's not the Academy, it's the Navy that wants the membership cancelled.
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Let's review - 2010-02-24 19:08:33
In this series of, we have gone from the cancellation of tennis contracts to moving the Naval Academy (Steve AND Fred, the tennis courts aren't on the Academy grounds so take your argument and get outta here) and the Midshipmen (while they complex was designed knowing they would be the priority, they have no actual control over its use). So lets at least keep the squabbling relevant.
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Just wait and see - 2010-02-24 18:58:47
I don't really get the knee jerk reaction. It needs to be turned over free of contracts. This even applies to the Navy Youth Hockey Club, which was notified that it's contracts are not going to exist beyond 3/31. That doesn't mean they won't get new ones, but the Navy wants it without contracts.
It is the Navy's perogative to not allow civillians on their property. Perhaps the Naval Academy Athletic Association should have secured private land on which to build the facility. Then they and you all might have a say.
As for now, I say "just wait and see".
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For Freddie ... - 2010-02-24 15:30:27
Thanks for confirming my point (it's the academy so they can do what they want), but what's your point? Yeah they can, I said it, they did it, and they did so w/ out formally informing people they bilked out of "initiation" fees. Also I said I'm not from MD and so I don't CARE, not I dont understand. By confirming my point as correct, clearly I do understand. Both sides just need to get over themselves and move on. As far as the elitism comment I made, I think you're doing a fine job of typifying what I mean. Comments like "unless you're this this or this then you have no say" symbolize that elitism and lack of respect not just for civilians in general but the ones that live around your academy which is even worse. At the very least do what you want w/ your academy and bsc (again I could care less) but at least have some common courtesy about kicking people out of the facilities. If it had of been done with some formal notice and tact, you wouldn't have to defend your academy and its rules nor would some anonymous bsc employee have to post basically what amounts to an insult of those people who are upset.
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I - 2010-02-24 12:57:16
saw the same brochure, you would probably be eligible as long as the Association and Foundation have the BSC, I doubt that you can find anywhere that it says for a lifetime. Once they turn over the BSC to the Navy all bets are off.
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BSC - 2010-02-24 12:29:23
I have a 'Blue and Gold' brochure which states that if I donate to 'Blue and Gold' I am eligible for membership to BSC. Does this constitute the basis for a contractual agreement?
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The situation - 2010-02-24 10:32:25
the Foundation and the Association build a sports complex, they solict major donors to build the buildings. They decide to offer civilians the chance to use the facilities and recoup some of the operating costs. They decide to present the Navy with the complex once everything is operational. The mission is complete. I have not seen one person come forward with any document that says this is a lifetime membership to this complex. Now if I purchased a lifetime membership to anything most people would have the document stating this. Now I realize that documents get lost but one person must have a copy of this lifetime membership of which they speak.
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The Code as I see it, - 2010-02-24 09:52:38
"The Navy Diver is not a fighting man, he is a salvage expert. If it is lost underwater, he finds it. If it's sunk, he brings it up. If it's in the way, he moves it. If he's lucky, he will die young, 200 feet beneath the waves, for that is the closest he'll ever get to being a hero. Hell, I don't know why anybody'd want to be a Navy diver."
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Honor Code - 2010-02-24 09:44:38
Now if only ALL the midshipmen would follow the same honor code. What better it would be for everybody.
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honor code - 2010-02-24 09:25:03
evryone follow a military honor code and we can all goose step into the promise land. Give me a break.
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The "Mea Culpa" part of my post - 2010-02-24 09:16:49
Many comments below I referenced our initiation fees (which could be called "a fee to join") and I erroneously wrote $250. It was $150, and $50 additional for a spouse. So total amounts would instead range anywhere from $97,500 max (based on 650 head count) to $65,00 if the total membership were comprised of couples. And to note, indoor tennis in the area is so hard to find and so expensive that for some of us, who really don't have a lot of dispensible income, Brigade provided a VERY affordable option, for which I am personally grateful. Affordable court fees, etc. (Not everyone who plays tennis is a rich +___+ as written below. It's actually a very affordable sport, much like soccer if you have access to public courts.) (Williams sisters started in Compton). I hope the Navy will allow the tennis players "pay per use" like hockey which is in the same facility. The hockey players are able to schedule games in advance. (A whole season in advance.) That would be great! (and equitable.) But of course, it's the Navy's choice. Gratefully, VR
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Honor Code. (and Mea Culpa) - 2010-02-24 09:08:46
I thought it would be nice to include part of the Honor Code (which I extracted from another Capital article). How well we'd all fare if civilians and DOD alike adheared to these principles:
Midshipmen are persons of integrity: They stand for that which is right.
They tell the truth and ensure that the full truth is known. They do not lie.
They embrace fairness in all actions. They ensure that work submitted as their own is their own, and that assistance received from any source is authorized and properly documented. They do not cheat.
They respect the property of others and ensure that others are able to benefit from the use of their own property. They do not steal.1
[1 Honor Concept of the Brigade of Midshipmen-USNA Instruction 1610.3G (2005), 23.
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Things change - 2010-02-24 08:03:05
I grew up on Duke of Gloucester St. We didn't have yards in town so our play ground was often the grounds of USNA supervised by parents. You could drive your car or walk right in the gate then. Not so today. Luckily I am a contractor doing business within the gates and have my USNA ID card with DOD stickers for my vehicles. Since 9/11 those are not so easily obtained any more. Unfortunately,the tennis group has to understand the security needs of USNA. USNA is an Annapolis, Md. treasure and I for one appreciate and respect the security.
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Also for the Record.... - 2010-02-24 00:24:54
This County has Two Olympic Aquatic Centers and Two Perfectly Good Racquetball/Tennis Centers.
I'm sorry to all of the Tennis Players out there who just have to use the Naval Academy's facilities but I'm sure you'd find these other facilities just as useful.
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And Just for the Record - 2010-02-24 00:18:57
The Navy purchased this land over 150 years ago and if you actually look at the amount of acreage availiable now theres not really much more room to put anything on the grounds being as how it's so built up.
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Freddie Dearest - 2010-02-24 00:14:35
I agree wholeheartedly that the security and welfare of the Naval Academy and the Mishipmen/Officers is and should be a Top priority but enlight of the very grave incidents of 9/11 I think that if the Naval Academy is going to continue to make security precautions some so extreme that they erase the character of the whole complex then the Department of the Navy should do whats in the best interest of the Navy and Midshipmen and move to a more secure post.
I know civilians like myself like to make use of the facilities but I was talking about things that used to be "fun" to do at the Academy.
Oh and for the record I don't play Tennis.
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Prime Real Estate - 2010-02-23 20:54:42
Now we see the jist of your argument:
"Would they keep the Naval Academy as a Naval Complex I mean this is Prime Real Estate..."
True, but you seem to forget that most of that "prime real estate" has been manufactured by the Navy.
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Stevie, baby... - 2010-02-23 20:50:06
"I think ... should refrain from the sarcasm and make semi valid points."
I prefer to make fully valid points, thank you.
"...You see I remember the days when you could ride your bicycle on the yard ...
Now you have to walk through a security checkpoint,have your license scanned ..."
Well, I think most of us remember the good old days, however we also remember the day that changed all that about a decade ago. I think your slight inconvenience is well worth the price of security for our Nations future leadership.
"...My point is that if the Department of the Navy thinks there is a legitimate threat to the security of the yard they should just pack up and go where the Naval Academy is not accessible to the public at all."
Funny, it seems to me if they want to make the Yard inaccessible, they have the means to do that now, without having to move at your convenience.
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Ms Longacre - 2010-02-23 19:54:56
should know the only certain things in life are death and taxes.
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Steve - 2010-02-23 18:54:32
then don't go to games anymore. Problem solved. Sorry you can't just walk on to a military base anymore, you are starting to sound like a disgruntled tennis player. The Academy will NEVER give up the real estate. Way too much history to give up.
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Freddie..... - 2010-02-23 18:49:23
I think you and your brother (Fred Shubbie) should refrain from the sarcasm and make semi valid points.
You see I remember the days when you could ride your bicycle on the yard,Go Crabbing on Hospital Point,go to sporting events and not have to walk a mile and a half to get there,etc.
Now you have to walk through a security checkpoint,have your license scanned,and the only way you can get to sporting events is to go through these big ugly black gates and walk forever.
My point is that if the Department of the Navy thinks there is a legitimate threat to the security of the yard they should just pack up and go where the Naval Academy is not accessible to the public at all.
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Stevie... - 2010-02-23 16:11:20
"...the "New" Naval Academy is more like a prison..."
LOL! Steve, you missed the point - the new security does not work to keep the Midshipmen in, it is designed to keep the unwashed masses (like yourself) out.
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You don't have ... - 2010-02-23 16:07:23
"...It's the Academy (purposely not using CAPS - so I corrected you) so they can do what they want, right?"
Basically you are correct - the Navy purchased the land for both the Naval Academy and the Naval Station long ago and they have been improving that property for almost 175 years.
You don't have to be from Maryland to understand - you just have to try a little...
"...The bottomline is the Academy's (fixed it again for you...) elitist attitude is finally making problems with its public relations..."
Define elitist with repect to one of the most selective higher education institutions in the country...
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Why...... - 2010-02-23 14:52:37
Would they keep the Naval Academy as a Naval Complex I mean this is Prime Real Estate.
My brother was in the Navy and the Naval Base at North Island is a Beautiful and spacious facility with plenty of acreage and could easily house the Naval Academy.
Lets face it with all of the new rules and security provisions the "New" Naval Academy is more like a prison and if they're really worried about a security breach they should move to an installation that is more secure and like the Naval Academy close to civilization.
Enough Said.
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I - 2010-02-23 13:13:48
am calm, I could careless if they play tennis or not! If you want a lifetime membership join Big Vanilla. Donors gave money to have names on buildings not to play tennis. Do these tennis players honestly think because they have paid court fee's that somehow meant they were donors with special privilege. You had the use and enjoyment, now get over it!
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Still no official word... - 2010-02-23 12:40:58
so will everybody calm down?
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Funny how... - 2010-02-23 12:28:56
when something hits close to home in a thread someone staunchly defends it and even accuses others of the very same things they are doing.
The bottomline is the academy's elitist attitude is finally making problems with its public relations. It's the academy (purposely not using CAPS) so they can do what they want, right? Not being from MD I could care less whether it stays or goes I just wish everyone would stop whining on both sides. Playing tennis isn't that serious and if you're willing to spend $250 initiation fees and then yearly dues I'm sure you can find somewhere nearby but maybe not as close to play that is just as nice. Besides who pays "initiation" fees for something not affiliated with a group, fraternity/sorority, professional org, etc? Whether they were misled or misled themselves, paying a one-time "initiation" fee implies something ...
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USNA go away ? - 2010-02-23 11:12:14
Dearest Pat my friend,
It would fine if the USNA left. Can you thing for a moment why such a thing would be anything but devastating to the area ? First of all let us put our thinking caps on...... times up Pat old friend, the answers is WATERFRONT!!!!
TheY are not leaving.
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Wouldn't - 2010-02-23 10:43:47
Annapolis be just lovely if the Academy moved out? The Navy could open just a plain old base on the Academy grounds. Main St could become Rt 175 outside of Ft Meade. One could easily get a tat, we could have a main drag with crappy little dive bars, sounds great, at least we could have tennis! If you could get past the dealers and the druggies to make it to the courts. Some how don't think the tennis brats would be happy with that situation either.
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Statistical Anomoly... - 2010-02-23 09:55:00
"...just seems that everone in the military is above everyone else,I have a friend who's brother is a marine and he thinks the world stops for him when he comes home."
Alright - judgement on a sample size of one - nothing like the use of good statistics...LOL!
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Careful what you wish for... - 2010-02-23 09:41:36
"Personally I think they ought to just move the whole Naval Academy to North Island Naval Base in San Diego California."
I do not think you would get much of an argument from the Mids and Officers (and associated families) on that relocation thought, but if your fantasy were to come to fruition - do you think ypou would really have better access tot he land with what ever replaced USNA there Steve?
I guess another question for you would be is it really worth the several Billions of dollars that such a capital investment would require just so you can ride your bike a little closer to the water?
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Steve - 2010-02-23 07:31:57
Due to Homeland Security concerns after 9/11. Just about every military base/installation have tightened up their security posture and restricted access. Some have installed a new DODentry system, that will allow any person with a valid driver's license. Those visitors are placed in a visitors line and their drivers license is scanned and they are checked for warrants and if they are on the watch list. Its very fast check.
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You can't even Ride Your Bicycle - 2010-02-22 23:38:12
On the Naval Academy grounds and people are worried about a sports complex closing to the public. Lets face it the Naval Academy has become a Prison (complete with Wrought Iron Turnstyle gates) than a cool place to enjoy a saturday afternoon and it's history.
Personally I think they ought to just move the whole Naval Academy to North Island Naval Base in San Diego California.
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Ice Skating - 2010-02-22 21:26:42
Are there pay per use ice skating sessions at the brigade complex like their used to be when the rink was at Dahlgren Hall? I've searched all over the net and haven't found anything mentioning usage or policies for the rink--or even if civilians can use the new rink. Anyone know?
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To the BSC EMPLOYEE - Arnold, MD - 2010-02-22 20:01:55
Thank you for your thoughtful and even response. Though I don't believe "People deceive themselves" purposefully, given the limited information we've been provided, and the abrupt nature of the turnaround, we have allowed ourselves to jump to conclusions, some of them, I'm sure, erroneous. I don't remember being offered a 'Liftetime' membership when joining either, however, I wasn't informed at the time of joining that it was a temporary arrangement. Brigade has been such a wonderful "gift" to the community that, like any wonderful experience, people (we) are reticent to see it go. I have always been aware that it's primary purpose was for the Naval Academy and it's team, as have others I know. The way this has been handled has been disappointing. Your comment has ameliorated some of that. Again, thank you.
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People Mislead Themselves - 2010-02-22 17:49:46
This article was terribly researched and a poor reflection on both the journalist and the members quoted in the article. It is based on the views of a handful of disgruntled and uninformed members. No one was ever told that the BSC was going to give them a lifetime admission. It's ridiculous to infer that a building on federal property will be guaranteed lifetime admission. What is happening March 31st is that memberships are being cancelled, civilian and military. Beyond that, NOTHING has been decided. Hockey isn't changing because it is already run on a pay-per-use basis. Golf is run by a different entity. There has been no trickery towards or bias against tennis members. The original membership scheme did not provide enough benefit to Academy and DOD affiliates in the area so they saw fit to reorganize. NO ONE has said that civilians will not be allowed to play tennis in the future and any claims like that are pure speculation at this point. If the Navy has done anything wrong here, it was not properly communicating that and nothing more. So until March 31st, enjoy the courts and wait for official word before getting hot under the collar and erroneously assuming that civilians can never come back.
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whatever - 2010-02-22 16:20:35
just seems that everone in the military is above everyone else,I have a friend who's brother is a marine and he thinks the world stops for him when he comes home.Robert is on the right track.
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Fred - 2010-02-22 09:35:43
Thanks. When I looked at the google map. It showed the complex outside the shaded Naval Academy grounds.
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From Capital - 2010-02-22 09:34:33
12/17/07
Academy Athletic Director Chet Gladchuk said the main purpose of the new facility will always be to serve the 4,400-member Brigade of Midshipmen, and not just varsity teams and community groups.
"It is a club-sport based facility," Mr. Gladchuk said. "It will be prioritized for midshipmen, then faculty and staff, and for active military after that."
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Greenbury Point - 2010-02-22 09:21:13
It is on Naval Station land.
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Robert - 2010-02-22 09:17:54
You state in your post regarding the dislike of civilians at the Academy "After 16 years for working at the Academy, I learned that real quick". I wouldn't say that learning that after 16 years was real quick.
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Greenbury Point - 2010-02-22 08:51:57
Is this sports complex on public land, or on Naval Academy grounds?
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$16.5 origin - 2010-02-22 08:39:15
Nothing built at the Naval Academy has ever been built for "combined usage". The sole function of the Naval Academy is to support the training and development of Midshipmen.
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Public Works - 2010-02-22 08:35:21
Robert - I am sure I would have no problems with your work ethic, it sounds as if you were proud of your effort and where you worked. I have no doubt there were others just as committed as you. However, as you stated in your post, "...It only took a few spoiled eggs to ruin the omlette..." - yes, the inability of Public Works' management to manage efficiently (ultimate responsibility) led the Navy to seek more cost effective alternatives - the bottom line is that that was not the Naval Academy's or the Navy's fault or problem.
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$16.5 origin - 2010-02-22 08:34:49
How was the donation money requested? Was it raised to build an complex for the military, the community, or combined usage?
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Military Use... - 2010-02-22 08:28:04
If anyone questions why the facilities were ever built, understand that they were put in for the use of the Midshipmen - there is no other reason for having built them. The fact that they were made (temporarily or otherwise) available to civilians is just a side benefit (temporary or otherwise). I am sure the decisions made were based on projected usage and need availability for the Midshipmen - the sole priority.
If you "donated" to help build the facilities with an eye towards using them - shame on you for "donating" under false pretenses.
If you joined and paid an initiation fee, I would bet NAAA will refund some if not all of that based on the decision made (they have already stated the dues would be repaid in a pro-rated manner) to restrict civilian access.
...but as I stated before, unless you are a Midshipman, a Grad of USNA, an Officer or family member stationed at USNA or the Naval Station, or maybe a civilian member of the staff, you have no claim to any use of the facilities at the Naval Academy.
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Civis give it a rest? - 2010-02-21 20:41:24
The first thing new recruits are taught is that civilians are garbage, cant be trusted and are no good. We don't want to associate with you no more than you want to be in the same room with us. After 16 years for working at the Academy, I learned that real quick.
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Fred David - Public (DID) Work - 2010-02-21 20:33:04
Yes Fred some, not all, of the public works employees were slackers or screw-ups, however, most of us were hard working and were proud of where we worked and had pride in what we did. It only took a few spoiled eggs to ruin the omlette. As far as being "over paid" that was our supervisors and their managers who made $35 to $40 and hour to drive a desk. Several times during my tenure, contractors came in and WE had to fix their mistakes or FINISH what they could not.
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membership vs donation - 2010-02-21 11:15:46
I'm confused? Are they calling our "membership" a form of donation? To me, a donation is voluntary and I was told I would not be able to sign up for contract time unless I became a "member". They also charged "guest fees" for people playing with "members". I feel what they are doing is illegal and we shouldn't just sit around and accept this as a done deal. It seems like a "pyramid scheme" . They took our money and initial membership fees without the full explanation of its limitations.
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Navy closing BSC to public - 2010-02-21 10:05:16
It seems the Navy wants it both ways. The golf course remains open to civilians, the hockey rink remains open to civilian, but the tennis facility is closed. When it opened there was no indication that this was a temporary membership for civilians. Why can't there be a provision in the "gift" that allows the current civilian members to continue to use the facility, just as the golf course is open to civilians. As I recall the membership in the tennis facility was limited to a certain number of civilians so that there would be sufficient court time for midshipmen, military, etc use. That number could be maintained without compromising anyones use of the facility.
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Public (dont) Works - 2010-02-20 18:50:06
"The Academy got rid of ALL public works employess in 2003..."
because they were too inefficient and too expensive. The contract the NA now has with its contractor put the risk of inefficient, and thereby cost savings on the contracting management. Bringing in a contractor to replace Public Works was a win for the Navy, the Naval Academy and tax payers.
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Civilians - 2010-02-20 18:41:53
I know all about that! The Academy got rid of ALL public works employess in 2003 to bring in contractors who knew NOTHING about running the place. They must not like civilians very much. I guess they dont remember when THEY WERE CIVILIANS.
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Snakey-pt II - 2010-02-20 18:20:08
Continued....Two items where the Navy *seems* to be getting off scott-free as if they owe no apology or explanation. Shame on them! For an institution, again funded by taxpayer dollars, that is suppose to espouse honesty, loyalty, protection and honor for it's american citizens, it has behaved poorly. It would appear we were manipulated and purposefully deceived for the purposes of fundraising. We were used to raise funds and then when that was complete and the Navy decided it wanted the tennis and fitness portion of the facility for it's exclusive purposes, it kicked us out. The fact that it doesn't apply accross the board to the skating facility as well reveals the duplicitous and hypocritical nature of their decision. "Civilians off the courts. Here's the rest of your money for the year. No reimbursement for initiation fees, or court fees. Tough luck. You've served our purposes, because afterall, you're here for us." One would think that we were under their command. Funny, because we're not. "Those who are faithful in the small things will be faithful in the large." My trust of the Navy management has now been damaged, and my respect for Mr. Tose (and I choose to call him "Mr.") is null and void.
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Comment removed by HometownAnnapolis staff. - 2010-02-20 15:49:51
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socialism - 2010-02-20 15:49:06
the navy is a socialist entity and that only allow other navy socialists to use their facilities. I mean, as an american, do you really expect to be able to do to canada and get free medical care ? If you hate socialism, there should be no misunderstanding
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Snakey - 2010-02-20 15:47:24
How are we to trust our venerable Navy if in it's dealings with the civilian population it acts without honor and instead abuses the trust of those who support and fund it? As the first person commented, donations are exactly that...donations. There is no expectation of recompense other than the purpose of the donation, a facility for the use of the Academy. However, civilian subscribers who were courted and encouraged to join the Brigade center, not donors, but subscribers, were NEVER informed that this was a temporary membership. Tose mentions in the above article that "This has always been the (plan), and it was just a matter of when it was going to be. It has been three years of enjoyment by the community. I am glad the community has had three years to enjoy and benefit, but now it (the facility) is going to fall under the same rules as Halsey Field House." If only Tose, who was clearly in the know, and those who managed Brigade had informed the public before we joined! (And I sense a touch of condesencion in Tose's tone, as if we were so privileged to have these three short years.) Were they afraid that we wouldn't pay the $250 or so initiation fee to join, which was an additional cost to the yearly membership fees? Simple math says that if Brigade requires $250 to join and there are 650 members or so then the Navy, in a short period of time raised a total of $162,500 from the civilian population (again NOT DONATIONS) to join Brigade. There was no mention in the letter we received cancelling our membership of reimbursing this initiation fee for a truncated and now apparent intended SHORT membership but only an intention of pro-rated reimbursement of yearly dues. Additionally there is no promise of reimbursement for contracted court time. Two items where the Navy *seems* to be getting off scott-free as if they owe no apology or explanation. Shame on them! For an institution, again funded by taxpayer dollars, that is suppose to espouse honesty, loyalty, protectio
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Civies - Give it a rest... - 2010-02-20 15:18:46
Unless you are a Midshipman, a Grad of USNA, an Officer or family member stationed at USNA or the Naval Station, or maybe a civilian member of the staff, you have no claim to any use of the facilities at the Naval Academy.
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Donated Money - 2010-02-20 11:13:57
When you donate money, it's not so that you get something in return. It's giving money for a "cause." It's ridiculous for people to assume that membership at a gym is some sort of "right." The facility was built to service the Brigade of Midshipmen, hence "BRIGADE Sports Complex." Get it? The same goes for other academic institutions with sporting complexes. They service the studend population and faculty/staff, usually explicitly. Civilian use of the facility was never meant to be permanent.
If money was dontated with a 'promise' of/or gaurenteed membership/patronage, well, then the Academy should find a way to make amends.
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Disappointing - 2010-02-20 11:13:33
This is disappointing. Civilians all over the Annapolis area support the Academy and its teams, and many of us are quite often solicited for further support. I imagine that many civilians would appreciate better treatment than this.
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Academy crap - 2010-02-20 08:33:45
The Naval Academy has become increasingly anti-civilian over the last decade. When I lived in Annapolis, I rode through the Academy every day from the time I was in junior high school (1972) until 2003, when Superintendent Rodney Rempt decided civilians weren't allowed to ride through the Academy (I was told at the time it was because of "construction projects" at the Academy). If the Naval Academy WANTED to generate bad feelings in the civilian community it couldn't have come up with a better plan than to steadily deny public access to "Navy" facilities. Someone at the Naval Academy better pull their heads out of...um...the sand...and stop the hemorrhaging of good will in the community before it's too late.
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